Red is the album that got me into Taylor way back when, and the only TV that really made an impact on me at time of release - maybe this is because of the big big rollout and the 10 minute All Too Well, but I really do like that TV. Spent a lot more time with that one and reckoning with TS then and TS now (which was also then.... when it was released). I feel like if any linger, it may just be that one for me.
yeah, Red (OG) was also when I got into Taylor. I agree, there's some way in which the TV is in dialogue with the original. Like she is loyal to the Taylor that was and how that taylor felt. But in (for instance) big SNL performance of "All Too Well," or a vault track like "I Bet You Think About Me," there's a lot of anger that she really edited out of the album.*
And then I think a TTPD track like "The Manuscript" is like, "I was really in denial about how bad this was, and the effect it had on me, but now I can see it. Even though the feelings I had are precious to me, I see a bigger picture now that I'm older." I dunno, I think one of the things I liked about both the rerecords and Eras was the way Taylor grew up without being like "my old albums are dumb because I was dumb." Like we all know "You Belong With Me" is incredibly silly and has only become more silly, but it's fun, and we know those feelings even if we're old enough to know that they are delulu.
*I'm sort of an anti-truther on the lyrics of the long ATW… while I'm sure Taylor does clean things up, "fuck the patriarchy" strikes me as a totally plausible thing—people were saying it my college junior/senior years in a joking way, which was when she was writing Red—and it was on the record that the ten minute ATW contained a "fuck" somewhere. That said her description of the original ATW session is that she was basically vomiting up feelings for ten minutes, so I'm sure that's not what we got either.
i think she learned to sing in 2015 and was excited by the opportunity to redo the stuff made before she could sing, a collection reputation is not a part of. i also like fearless tv more than fearless....
yeah agreed. I also feel like at some point… not sure when… she accepted she's not a soprano, which is why we get more lower register songs now. My mother (not interested in any pop culture post–Earth Wind and Fire) had "Speak Now" (original version) play on one of her Spotify mixes and said she was startled by how deep Taylor's voice is in the spoken word part vs the song. But I don't really know when I'd pinpoint that change. Maybe folklore.
after 1989 tv came out and the production on it was Bad (imo) I was so worried about how reputation tv would sound — so much of the beauty of it was in the tiny production details. happy to not have to suffer through that!!
when 1989 came out I sort of hated it (I was like 😡 pop Taylor 😡) so I had a good time with the TV but… I was also worried about the same thing. I think the synths are just hard to get right twice.
I want to know everyone’s first “stolen version” they listened to first. I never fully gave up 1989 (original), but was surprised by my reaction to the news (listening to and crying at the original snare on Fearless title track)
Red is the album that got me into Taylor way back when, and the only TV that really made an impact on me at time of release - maybe this is because of the big big rollout and the 10 minute All Too Well, but I really do like that TV. Spent a lot more time with that one and reckoning with TS then and TS now (which was also then.... when it was released). I feel like if any linger, it may just be that one for me.
yeah, Red (OG) was also when I got into Taylor. I agree, there's some way in which the TV is in dialogue with the original. Like she is loyal to the Taylor that was and how that taylor felt. But in (for instance) big SNL performance of "All Too Well," or a vault track like "I Bet You Think About Me," there's a lot of anger that she really edited out of the album.*
And then I think a TTPD track like "The Manuscript" is like, "I was really in denial about how bad this was, and the effect it had on me, but now I can see it. Even though the feelings I had are precious to me, I see a bigger picture now that I'm older." I dunno, I think one of the things I liked about both the rerecords and Eras was the way Taylor grew up without being like "my old albums are dumb because I was dumb." Like we all know "You Belong With Me" is incredibly silly and has only become more silly, but it's fun, and we know those feelings even if we're old enough to know that they are delulu.
*I'm sort of an anti-truther on the lyrics of the long ATW… while I'm sure Taylor does clean things up, "fuck the patriarchy" strikes me as a totally plausible thing—people were saying it my college junior/senior years in a joking way, which was when she was writing Red—and it was on the record that the ten minute ATW contained a "fuck" somewhere. That said her description of the original ATW session is that she was basically vomiting up feelings for ten minutes, so I'm sure that's not what we got either.
i think she learned to sing in 2015 and was excited by the opportunity to redo the stuff made before she could sing, a collection reputation is not a part of. i also like fearless tv more than fearless....
yeah agreed. I also feel like at some point… not sure when… she accepted she's not a soprano, which is why we get more lower register songs now. My mother (not interested in any pop culture post–Earth Wind and Fire) had "Speak Now" (original version) play on one of her Spotify mixes and said she was startled by how deep Taylor's voice is in the spoken word part vs the song. But I don't really know when I'd pinpoint that change. Maybe folklore.
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after 1989 tv came out and the production on it was Bad (imo) I was so worried about how reputation tv would sound — so much of the beauty of it was in the tiny production details. happy to not have to suffer through that!!
when 1989 came out I sort of hated it (I was like 😡 pop Taylor 😡) so I had a good time with the TV but… I was also worried about the same thing. I think the synths are just hard to get right twice.
I want to know everyone’s first “stolen version” they listened to first. I never fully gave up 1989 (original), but was surprised by my reaction to the news (listening to and crying at the original snare on Fearless title track)
I went right to Fearless too! eta: well first i gave reputation a spin but that doesn't count to me lol